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Messaggio Le Tre Spec più gettonate e consigli utili per PVE Raiding
Spec, rotation, incantamenti, gemme, ect (in lingua inglese, fonte "elitistjerks")

Gear, ordine da preferire:
Hit rating
Spell power
Haste rating
Critical rating
Spirit
Intellect


Spec 1. Personal Dps Demo/Destro Hybrid
0-40-31

Note: This spec is listed as the top dps by simcraft, though in practice it may end up about equal with the other specs.

Key Talents:
Demonology

Improved Imp Self explanatory but as you will see this tree is as much about buffing our pet as it is about improving our own DPS.
Demonic Aegis This is an obivius talent but it buffs everything from our glyphs to our Tier bonus.
Master Conjuror This is a very nice talent, it massively increases our haste. (300% increase over the standard 65 haste)
Master Demonologist This is the key of this talent critical effect chance of your Fire spells by 5%.
Molten Core This is now moved into Demo, and as such buffs our fire damage here.
Decimation The New Execute talent takes a combination of weaving incin and Soulfires together.

Destruction
Aftermath This is one of the first of many of the Immolate buffing talents, Immolate is the key around which our dps is built.
Ruin Not much explaining is needed here.
Emberstorm Pretty self explanatory.
Conflagrate This spell had a massive change in it's use and as such becomes a major part of our rotation.


Looking at gear going into Ulduar with the available naxx gear, we know several things.
1) We will be life tapping every 20~ seconds (more on this a bit).
2) Our lifetap glyph takes 20% of our Current spirit and converts it to spell power. 3) Our 4pc bonus spirit factors into that when life tapping. Examining all gear
choices available there is no CURRENT gear set available to be made that will add more dps than the glyph of lifetap+4pc t7.
So we must examine gear from there. Also we need 14% hit as we no longer have hit talents.

The best gear set I can come up with is the following:
13% hit Alliance set
There may be one or 2 pieces in both of these that could be mix and matched around to possibly squeeze a bit more dps out as well.

Glyphs
Glyph of Life Tap This new glyph massively boosts our dps and gets worked into our cycle.
Glyph of Conflagrate Add in this to the new Conflag glyph is self explanatory.
Glyph of Immolate It boosts immolate's damage, as well as conflag's, double win! use Glyph of Incinerate until you can attain Glyph of Lifetap.

Spells and Rotation
Our Rotation above 35% consists of the following priority list: Lifetap (use rank 1 approaching the boss) to trigger the glyph of lifetap, Immolate conflag (it is much more speedy this patch than it has been)
CoA/Corruption applied for MC procs. Then from there spam incinerate and lifetap every 20 seconds to maintain the buff. You should get 3 conflags for every 2 immolates for maximum dps.
Under 35% we get into the Decimate range and what's known as weaving. It isn't easy by any means but it's not intrinsically hard, it does suffer from latency though. The idea is this, for each incinerate you
shoot at the mob, you gain 1 decimate buff. Each incinerate has 2 times associated with it, and this is the important part. The first being a cast time, and this will scale with haste obviously in the same way
that soulfire will. The second is travel time. At max distance, this travel time is roughly equal to the cast of soulfire.
The idea is to get your rotation like this. Note the sequencing in events.
1. Begin Casting Incin1
2. finish cast incin 1
3. begin cast of incin 2
4. Incin 1 hits Decimate procs
5. finish cast of incin 2
6. Cast soulfire 1
7. finish casting soulfire 1 decimate clears
8. incin 2 hits decimate procs
9. Cast incin 3
10. cast soulfire 2

So you start 2xincin 1x sf 1x incin 1x sf repeat.
When refreshing dots and what not, in order to keep your rotation as smooth as possible. Use a rotation like this, Incin, SF, dot/dot, incin, sf

Spec 2. Personal Dps Deep Affliction
53-0-18

Key Talents
Affliction

Improved Curse of Agony: This is your highest DPET spell (excluding Corruption) and a good place to put points
Suppresion: If you’re lacking hit in your gear this is the place to get it.
Improved Corruption: This is the spell with your highest uptime and a major source of your damage
Soul Siphon: This is a big improvement for your Drain Soul finisher
Empowered Corruption: Another increase for this spell
Shadow Embrace: Talent increasing all your DoT damage
Siphon Life: No longer an additional spell to cast this talent now heals you for a percent of
Corruption damage done and also increases damage to Corruption and Unstable Affliction
Shadow Mastery: Shadow damage accounts for all of affliction damage now and this is a 15% increase
Eradication: Talent giving you a haste proc
Contagion: Increases damage from Curse of Agony and Corruption
Malediction: DoTs now crit and this increases that chance by 9% for both Unstable Affliction and
Corruption on top of giving a 3% increased spell damage
Death’s Embrace: Increases shadow damage when target gets below 35%
Unstable Affliction: Gives you one of your DoTs
Pandemic: Gives Unstable Affliction and Corruption the ability to crit
Everlasting Affliction: Gives you increased damage to Corruption and Unstable Affliction and allows Corruption to be auto refreshed
Haunt: Direct damage and increases damage done by all DoTs

Destruction
Improved Shadow Bolt: Now a direct 5% increase to your main nuke and provides a crit debuff on the target
Bane: Reduces cast time on Shadow Bolt
Ruin: Gives you the big crits

So a few things to note, one the hit cap is 3% lower on these specs than the previous so we get a new
set. That means 11% for horde 10% for alliance. Haste is always good and crit is decent too.

Alliance 10% hit cap

Glyphs
Glyph of Life Tap: Default lock glyph giving big dps boost
Glyph of Haunt: Increases damage bonus from Haunt
Glyph of Curse of Agony: Increases duration and DPET for CoA

Spells and Rotation
There are several ways to look at the affliction rotation.

The Basic Rotation
Life Tap>Shadow Bolt>Haunt>Corruption>Unstable Affliction >Curse of Agony
Start with Life Tap to activate glyph. Follow with Shadow Bolt to apply the first stack of Shadow
Embrace and then Haunt to provide the second stack as well as give the damage modifier to DoTs. Then
put up your DoTs. After that you will be using Shadow Bolt as filler ensuring to refresh your DoTs as
needed as well as casting Life Tap to keep up the buff.
Under 25% you will be in execute phase and will replace Shadow Bolt with Drain Soul as your filler
spell.

The "close" Rotation
Close in this situation refers to distance to the boss, and also the way that missile spells travel to said
boss. In this case we will look at a boss like patchwerk, Some things to look at to determine what boss
type he is.

1) you can stand relatively close (with in the 130% aggro pull) and a semi small hit box, also missile spells travel to his stomach and not his head, though both are in line and not very far apart from
each other. With a boss like this, you can pull a rotation like this:
Life Tap>Shadow Bolt>Corruption>Haunt>Unstable Affliction >Curse of Agony
This rotation allows you to have corruption tick after haunt lands & shadow embrace has hit 2 stacks, which improves your dps ever so slightly.
So a list of events looks like this

1. Shadow bolt cast
2. Corruption cast
3. SB lands (SE triggered stack 1)
4. Haunt cast
5. Begin casting ua
6. Haunt lands (haunt effect applied as well as Se stack 2 applied)
7. Corruption ticks
Other things to note; You basically want to cast haunt with 1.5 seconds left before it expires rather than
on CD.

The "Far" Rotation

Ok, so this is for bosses you are at max range from and/or heave a very long missile flight time. Lets
look at a boss like saphron. Her hit box is huge, missile flight time goes to the head instead of the
center of the body, and the head is no where near the center of the body. In the
1. Shadow Bolt cast
2. Haunt Cast
3. Shadow bolt hits (SE triggers stack 1)
4. Corruption Cast
5. Begin Casting UA
6. Haunt Hits (SE triggers stack 2 Haunt effect applied
7. Corruption ticks
Other things to note; You want to cast haunt on CD, as the missile travel time takes a long, long time.

Spec 3. Destruction
3-13-55 (se il gear cappa l'hit i 3 punti in Suppression possono essere risparmiati)

Key Talents

Affliction
Suppression 3% more hit from talents mean you can focus on other stats!

Demonology
Improved Imp
Demonic Aegis

Destruction
Aftermath This is one of the first of many of the Immolate buffing talents, Immolate is the keyaround which our dps is built.
Ruin Not much explaining is needed here.
Backlash
Emberstorm Pretty self explanatory.
Conflagrate This spell had a massive change in it's use and as such becomes a major part of ourrotation.
Pyroclasm This old talent has been refurbished to provide a nice dps boost on Conflag crits.
Shadow and Flame More scaling for incinerate
Backdraft This is a really nice talent that adds a significant amount of haste to 3 spells every 10seconds.
Empowered Imp This is not only a nice buff for our imp but more importantly increases our overall chance to crit.
Fire and Brimmstone This not only adds additional chance to crit on at least 1/3 of all conflags as well as scaling both immolate AND conflag damage as a result.
Chaos Bolt This is a damage boost to our normal rotation as well as being a nice extra ability.

This spec has 2 free talent points to be placed some where in the destro tree (or even possibly in Improved Healthstone) Where those 2 points go, is truly up to you.
The authors Choice is 1 more point in Destructive Reach, and Shadowfury but it's up to you.

These are the same sets (coincidently enough) from the affliction set, that being said, the hit cap is at 11% and 10% for horde and alliance respectively.
Alliance 10% hit cap

Glyphs
We use the same glyphs as 0/40/31
Glyph of Life Tap This new glyph massively boosts our dps and gets worked into our cycle.
Glyph of Conflagrate Add in this to the new Conflag glyph is self explanatory.
Glyph of Immolate It boosts immolate's damage, as well as conflag's, double win!
use Glyph of Incinerate until you can attain Glyph of Lifetap.

Rotation
The rotation for Deep destro builds revolves around cooldowns, buffs and dots, the following list is a priority list.
1. Glyph of Life Tap 20 seconds
2. Immolate 15 seconds
3. Conflagrate 10 seconds
4. Choasbolt 12 seconds+cast time
5. Curse of Doom 60 seconds
6. Backdraft 15 seconds/3 charges
So basically, the first cycle of rotation goes like this.

Lifetap rank 1 ->Curse of Doom -> Immolate -> Conflag [backdraft starts] -> Choas bolt -> incin ->incin [backdraft ends]
Then you just rinse and repeat, try and squeeze chaos bolt through backdraft if you can keep up LT, and
Conflag on cd. When the boss has less than 60 seconds to live switch to CoA.

incantamenti e gemme

Head: [Arcanum of Burning Mysteries] (Revered with Kirin Tor)
Shoulders: [Greater Inscription of the Storm ] (Exalted with Sons of Hodir), [Master's Inscription of the Storm] (Inscription only)
Back: [Formula: Enchant Cloak - Greater Speed], [Lightweave Embroidery] (Tailoring only)
Chest: [Scroll of Enchant Chest - Powerful Stats], [Enchant Chest - Major Spirit] (pre-TBC)
Wrists: [Scroll of Enchant Bracer - Superior Spellpower], [Socket Bracer] (Blacksmithing only, stacks with enchants), [Fur Lining - Spell Power] (Leatherworking only)
Gloves: [Scroll of Enchant Gloves - Exceptional Spellpower], [Scroll of Enchant Gloves - Precision], [Socket Gloves] (Blacksmithing only, stacks with enchants), [Hyperspeed Accelerators] (Engineering only)
Waist: [Eternal Belt Buckle]
Legs: [Brilliant Spellthread], [Sanctified Spellthread] (Tailoring only)
Feet: [Scroll of Enchant Boots - Icewalker]
Fingers: [Enchant Ring - Greater Spellpower] (Enchanting only)
Weapon: [Scroll of Enchant Weapon - Mighty Spellpower]

gems

Meta: [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond]
Red: [Runed Scarlet Ruby]
Yellow: [Reckless Monarch Topaz], [Veiled Monarch Topaz], [Rigid Autumn's Glow]
Blue: [Purified Twilight Opal]

Before putting in gems, don't forget to calculate with the gem bonus what the overall will be. For example, a [Runed Scarlet Ruby] is better than a [Reckless Monarch Topaz] with a gem bonus of +8 critical rating.

Firestone or Spellstone on weapon?
Firestone, but it's only by a very, very small margin. If you're playing some kind of heavy Demonology-hybrid you might be better off with Spellstone.

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Direi esaustiva collega =)
posso dirvi che è tutto vero cazzarola, se rollate la destro quasi pura si fanno un pacco di danni, io sul dammy sto sui 4.2k, ma per far girare la rotation alla perfezione utilizzo gli addons che la nostra cara Nagi ci aveva postato su un video per la rotation Affl ma funziona alla graned mi mancate un abbraccio a tutti lock powaaaaaaa :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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soloo un piccolo appuntino se posso permettermi la Course of Domm la metterei solo se si ha un dk unholy in raid se no metterei la CoE

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Dany1908 ha scritto:
soloo un piccolo appuntino se posso permettermi la Course of Domm la metterei solo se si ha un dk unholy in raid se no metterei la CoE



…permettiti, permettiti :wink:

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2 domandine....

- quante l'hit cap?
- quali addon usate per la rotazione delle spell?

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446 è il 17% esatto,cioè il cap x i boss "teschiati"(ovviamente se usi Suppression si riduce di 28 x ogni punto talento speso).

Personalmente uso la barra dei CD di Quartz,semplicemente. puoi provare DoTimers se credi.

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se vi interesa ho trovato un addon molto molto interessante che ho provato e sto usando

http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addo ... ority.aspx

in pratica con una comoda icona che potete ingrandire e spostare dove volete vi indica le prossime spell da usare tenendo conto automaticamente dei couldown.
Potete settare sia x Destro che x Affli

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